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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met here in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment here but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to the US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with their feet
as do patients.
They want to raise the tuition so it is impossible to pay off the debt early
and they want to bribe the doctors into staying in canada. They need
political officers in the med schools teaching need not greed.
This was written in 2004 after the change in government that made every evil
go away.
This is from the Canadian Family physician
http://www.cfpc.ca/cfp/2004/Mar/vol50-mar-letters-1.asp
Letters
Canada's shortage of physicians
While there are numerous factors contributing to Canada's shortage of
physicians, three significant ones are migration to the United States,
reluctance of medical students to choose specialties and locations where
they are most needed, and new practice patterns (lifestyle goals and use of
the health care system).
For the first and second factors, we can review the current practice
locations of all Canadian medical graduates from the 16 medical schools from
1991 to 1995. Evidence1,2 suggests that 18% had left Canada for the United
States by 2003. Reviewing the medical classes of the University of Western
Ontario (UWO) in London from 1991 to 1995 inclusive suggests a similar
percentage might be in the United States (19%).1,2 Eighteen UWO medical
graduates from these 5 years appear to be in Windsor, Ont, and 46 in London,
Ont.1,2 Only 14 (2.7%) graduates out of the 507 graduates over this 5-year
period chose to practise in the remaining and primarily rural areas of
southwestern Ontario.
The UWO is located in the middle of southwestern Ontario. Remarkably, the
eight rural underserviced counties of southwestern Ontario, with possibly
half its population, received only 2.7% of the graduates while the two
largest cities received 12.5% of the graduates. There are currently 195
designated vacancies for family physicians in southwestern Ontario, and none
are located in London.3 Losing possibly 18% of all Canadian medical
graduates to the United States within 8 to 13 years after graduation seems
excessive, especially when there is a shortage of physicians in Canada. The
observation that only 14, or 2.7%, of the graduates chose to practise in the
rural areas of southwestern Ontario also appears to be grossly out of line.
Both these observations should raise considerable concern among educators
and governments.
A possible solution to this problem might be to raise yearly medical tuition
to the level of the cost in the United States ($50 000 per year) with the
offer of a non-repayable bursary in return for participating in one of a
number of options, ie, 3 years' service in a remote area, 4 years' service
in a northern or rural area, 5 years' service in an underserviced area
within 2 hours of a medical school, and 7 years' service in a community with
a medical school coupled with the obligation to provide a 2-week locum a
year in an underserviced community.
Similar proposals have been considered after the Supreme Court of Canada
made a ruling in 1995 based on the "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" (BC
physicians vs BC government). The essence of the decision was that provinces
could not restrict licences for new physicians moving to the province to
practise in underserviced communities for even a limited time. The physician
shortage is extremely complex, but this proposal could be a basis for
dialogue on the topic.
-Ross McElroy, MD, CCFP (Retired)
Tavistock, Ont
by e-mail
References
1. MD Select. Canadian Medical Directory CD-ROM 2003. Ottawa, Ont: Canadian
Medical Association; 2003.
2. The Association of Canadian Medical Colleges. Canadian medical education
statistics. Vol 24. Ottawa, Ont: Association of Canadian Medical Colleges;
2002.
3. Underserviced Area Program, Ontario Ministry of Health and Long Term
Care. List of areas designated as underserviced. Toronto, Ont: Ontario
Ministry of Health and Long Term Care; 2004. |
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| Quote: | I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment here but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with their feet
as do patients.
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If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why we have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich physicians
and nothing else. |
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Robert
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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment here
but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with their
feet
as do patients.
If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why we
have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a
provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich physicians
and nothing else.
George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open heart |
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and not
the medical institutions.
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and simple.
In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy having
the government keep costs down. |
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George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and
not
the medical institutions.
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I was with you until....
| Quote: | The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple. |
....right there. Right there, you lost your credibility. And ...
| Quote: | In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
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.....here is where you lost the right to speak at all. |
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Robert
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George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel
real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart
surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and
not
the medical institutions.
I was with you until....
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple.
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James, you have decided to jump in the middle of a long on going discussion
involving George and others involving many posts. For you to jump in and say
I voted for the war until I voted against it really sounds fishy.
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...right there. Right there, you lost your credibility. And ...
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I don't believe I ever had your credibility as right there right there your
true colors start showing up.
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In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
....here is where you lost the right to speak at all.
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That is where we disagree I see as you believe the government has the right
to decide how many children a family can have?
In America we have a right to speak and I can see that you are quite happy
in taking rights away from people. You would be right at home in China with
the socialistic medical system and the political system.
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Robert
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Canadian doctors coming to the US |
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Here is what the canadian press says about the shortages and NOTICE NO
MENTION OF DOCTORS GOING TO THE US.
The press doesn't want to make the canadian heatlh system look bad so I
understand it. The canadian press according to many canadians are the most
unbiased of all. You can rely on them getting the story on America but when
it comes to canada then you better watch out canadians.
More Canadians having trouble finding a doctor
Interactive
. Web Sites: College of Family Physicians of Canada news release and poll
details; Statistics Canada survey: Unmet Health Care Needs
ROB GILROY
CTV News Staff, Nov. 8, 2002
More than 4.5 million Canadians had trouble finding a family physician in
the past 12 months, says a new poll. Yet Canada is filled with
foreign-trained doctors who can't practise.
The poll commissioned by the College of Family Physicians of Canada also
found that 80 per cent of Canadians believe there is a shortage of family
doctors, and 97 per cent of those people think the shortage is serious.
The split between urban and rural respondents to the Decima poll was almost
even, with 86 per cent of those living in smaller communities saying they
believe there is a shortage of general practitioners, compared to 77 per
cent living in larger cities.
CTV News: Foreign-trained doctors could offer boost to ailing system, Avis
Favaro reports
"The family physician supply problem in Canada continues to be a concern to
all Canadians," the college's president, Dr. Dominique Tessier, said in a
release. "It's affecting access to primary care in our cities and towns as
well as rural areas."
The college said 92 per cent of the poll's respondents believe confronting
the shortage of family doctors should be a top priority for governments
aiming to improve the health-care system.
The survey of 2,105 adult Canadians was conducted between Oct. 11 and Oct.
20 and is considered accurate to within 2.4 per cent 19 times out of 20.
Canada is currently short at least 3,000 family doctors, the college says,
and warns that number could swell to 6,000 by 2011.
But while millions of Canadians are having difficulties finding doctors,
there's some irony in this dilemma. There are thousands of foreign-trained
doctors living in Canada, willing to work, but they can't because of a
number of barriers in the areas of training and testing.
Abdul Jabar Jalalzai is one of thim. He's a driving instructor at the
moment. Yet he really is a pediatrician who trained in Afghanistan, who
practiced in Pakistan, but who has found it impossible to be a doctor in
Canada.
"It's sad for me, but I have to [teach driving] to make money," Jalalzai
says. "I don't tell people I'm a doctor. No, I don't."
Nafisa Aptekar is embarrassed to say she works as a security guard. That's
because she's a doctor with 13 years experience as a radiologist in her
native India.
"You feel terrible, you feel miserable, when I'm knocking on doors when I
should be reading MRIs or CT scans," she says.
Across Canada there are fewer than 160 training positions for foreign MDs
who want to work in Canada. Most will have to pass five exams, qualify for a
residency program, and then wait for a training spot -- one not already
taken by a Canadian-trained graduate.
Ontario plans to open the door a bit, allowing 100 additional foreign grads
to train each year. And it will likely fast-track those willing to commit to
working in underserviced areas. That announcement is likely soon.
Quebec, which says it needs at least 1,000 doctors, announced recently it
will actively begin recruiting doctors to Quebec, particularly those who
speak French.
However, the doctors must supply documents proving their education level,
then they must pass two types of exams: one medical, and another to prove
they can work in French. Also, they must perform residence duties like other
Quebec doctors
Quebec already has a program to hire foreign doctors on a temporary basis in
either hospitals or regions that desperately needed them. That program hired
60 foreign doctors on temporary contracts last year.
In Newfoundland, graduates of medical schools in English-speaking countries
can get a provisional licence and start working immediately.
Manitoba's College of Physicians and Surgeons assesses international medical
graduates for three days then decides whether to grant a provisional licence
allowing the doctors to train under the guidance of another physician.
Last June, the Canadian Institute for Health Information said there was a
five-per-cent drop in the supply of general practitioners since 1993.
That report blamed a general oversupply of family doctors in the early 1990s
which led to intentional cuts to medical school enrollments later in the
decade, and measures aimed at discouraging foreign-trained doctors from
coming to Canada.
As a result, the physician-to-population ratio declined by 5.1 per cent,
from 195.2 doctors for every 100,000 patients in 1993 to 185.2 doctors for
every 100,000 patients in 2000, according to the CIHI.
Several provinces facing shortages in many areas of specialty are tying to
correct part of the problem by announcing the easing of restrictions on
foreign-trained physicians.
With a report from CTV Health Reporter Avis Favaro
Interactive
. Web Sites: College of Family Physicians of Canada news release and poll
details; Statistics Canada survey: Unmet Health Care Needs |
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Skeptic
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Here is what the canadian press says about the shortages and NOTICE NO
MENTION OF DOCTORS GOING TO THE US.
The press doesn't want to make the canadian heatlh system look bad so I
understand it. The canadian press according to many canadians are the most
unbiased of all. You can rely on them getting the story on America but
when
it comes to canada then you better watch out canadians.
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I can speak from anectdotal reports. I know of 5 fellows from various
surgical specialties who have come to the US. 4 completed their fellowship
and are now practicing in the US. One is finishing his fellowship this year
and I don't yet know what he'll do. I know of no residents that have gone
to do fellowships in Canada and of no practicing physicians who have moved
from the US to Canada. If my personal experience is any indication of
what's going on across the country, I'd say Canada is in big big trouble. |
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Howard McCollister
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"George Conklin" <nilknoc@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met
here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment here
but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to
the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with their
feet
as do patients.
If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why we
have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a
provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich
physicians
and nothing else.
George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and
not
the medical institutions.
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple.
In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
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No, George doesn't know or care. I killfiled him long ago. That he's a
looney has been well-known on sci.med for years.
Anybody that thinks that physician income is the reason for the high cost of
health care in the US is just simply not paying attention.
HMc |
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/P
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Canadian doctors coming to the US |
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Howard McCollister wrote:
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"George Conklin" <nilknoc@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met
here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment here
but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to
the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with their
feet
as do patients.
If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why we
have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a
provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich
physicians
and nothing else.
George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and
not
the medical institutions.
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple.
In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
No, George doesn't know or care. I killfiled him long ago. That he's a
looney has been well-known on sci.med for years.
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It would be my choice to refrain from judging him here.
| Quote: | Anybody that thinks that physician income is the reason for the high cost of
health care in the US is just simply not paying attention.
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Yes, truth is simple.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 |
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George Conklin
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"George Conklin" <nilknoc@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met
here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment here
but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to
the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with their
feet
as do patients.
If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why we
have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a
provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich
physicians
and nothing else.
George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
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The last I heard, we did not have a Prime Minister in the USA.
Americans are going to Canada to get cataract surgery. Why? Half the
price.
| Quote: | I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart surgeries
are done here.
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You are equally as likely to life 9 years after a heart attack in Canada
as in the USA. Give it up whoever you are. You don't know anything but
hatred of Canada. |
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George Conklin
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"James Stein" <NoSpamForMeThanks@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract
surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel
real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart
surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done
and
not
the medical institutions.
I was with you until....
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple.
James, you have decided to jump in the middle of a long on going
discussion
involving George and others involving many posts. For you to jump in and
say
I voted for the war until I voted against it really sounds fishy.
...right there. Right there, you lost your credibility. And ...
I don't believe I ever had your credibility as right there right there
your
true colors start showing up.
In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and
some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
....here is where you lost the right to speak at all.
That is where we disagree I see as you believe the government has the
right
to decide how many children a family can have?
In America we have a right to speak and I can see that you are quite happy
in taking rights away from people. You would be right at home in China
with
the socialistic medical system and the political system.
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I knew you did not like Canada. Now China. Care to add what next? There
are more children born in China per woman than in the USA. Obviously
President Bush has limited the number of children that can be born in the
USA. |
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George Conklin
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"The family physician supply problem in Canada continues to be a concern
to
all Canadians," the college's president, Dr. Dominique Tessier, said in a
release. "It's affecting access to primary care in our cities and towns as
well as rural areas."
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And the same thing is true in the USA. In North Carolina, one-third of
our counties do not have one primary care physician per 3,000 people. |
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George Conklin
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Here is what the canadian press says about the shortages and NOTICE NO
MENTION OF DOCTORS GOING TO THE US.
The press doesn't want to make the canadian heatlh system look bad so I
understand it. The canadian press according to many canadians are the
most
unbiased of all. You can rely on them getting the story on America but
when
it comes to canada then you better watch out canadians.
I can speak from anectdotal reports. I know of 5 fellows from various
surgical specialties who have come to the US. 4 completed their
fellowship
and are now practicing in the US. One is finishing his fellowship this
year
and I don't yet know what he'll do. I know of no residents that have gone
to do fellowships in Canada and of no practicing physicians who have moved
from the US to Canada. If my personal experience is any indication of
what's going on across the country, I'd say Canada is in big big trouble.
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If you could tripple your salary by moving a few miles, you would too.
Our problem is that we overpay physicians. |
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George Conklin
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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met
here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment
here
but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to
the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with
their
feet
as do patients.
If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why
we
have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a
provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich
physicians
and nothing else.
George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel
real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart
surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and
not
the medical institutions.
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple.
In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
No, George doesn't know or care. I killfiled him long ago. That he's a
looney has been well-known on sci.med for years.
Anybody that thinks that physician income is the reason for the high cost
of
health care in the US is just simply not paying attention.
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I started out supporting universal health care. You think that is
loony, as do most over-paid physicians. Canada spends one half on medical
compared to the USA, and gets better results. You think that should not be.
But it is a FAct. |
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"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"George Conklin" <nilknoc@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I want to personally thank all the fine Canadian doctors I have met
here
in
the US. It is not only patients that come to the US for treatment
here
but
the doctors as well to practice medicine. 19% of all graduates go to
the
US.
That's a quarter of the doctors by the new math are voting with
their
feet
as do patients.
If you could tripple your income, you would move too. That is why
we
have
the world's most expensive medicine in the USA. We have a
provider-centered
medical system with its main emphais on high costs, more money and the
patient-be-damned. You who pose as Robert are in favor of rich
physicians
and nothing else.
George, did you know that the Prime Minister determines how many open
heart
surgeries are done? Did you know he decides how many cataract surgeries
are
done per year?
I am sure you want politicians to determine that like you would feel
real
comfortable with President Bush determining how many open heart
surgeries
are done here.
Lets have politicians determine how much medical operations are done and
not
the medical institutions.
The patient is damned with your system as you are a Marxist plan and
simple.
In China you can have only one child by government proclamation and some
families are killing there own baby girls. I bet that makes you happy
having
the government keep costs down.
No, George doesn't know or care. I killfiled him long ago. That he's a
looney has been well-known on sci.med for years.
Anybody that thinks that physician income is the reason for the high cost
of
health care in the US is just simply not paying attention.
HMc
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Do you mean to say that Canadian doctors come to the USA and REFUSE to
accept 3 times more pay? It has nothing to do with immigration? What about
all those physicans from India? They come here for LESS pay? What if both
groups did not accept more pay? According to you, it would not affect
medical costs. Does anyone believe crap like you post? Are you back to
smoking those funny little cigarettes again? |
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