Atkins vindicated yet again!

[Socialism is a Mental Dis]

Study: Low-Fat May Not Be Best for Heart

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=594&e=1&u=/nm/20040504/hl_nm/fat_heart_dc


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[Havirrion]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:

[Guest]

Maybe, As the snip below shows, the percentage of fat in the study is not
unlike the current mixed reccomended diet, and also recall that atkins
said to limit saturated fat to 20 percent:


"But, he said, the findings do indicate that moderation, and not tight
restriction, is the way to go. According to Pendergast, that means
getting about 30 to 35 percent of calories from fat -- at or slightly
more than the level health officials currently recommend.

But he also stressed the importance of calorie balance, which means
eating only enough to meet the body's calorie expenditure. Fat has
more calories per gram than either carbohydrates or protein, and if a
person takes in more calories as a result of eating more fat, weight
gain may follow."

[Socialism is a Mental Dis]

On Tue, 04 May 2004 16:10:41 +0100, Havirrion
<havirrion@NOblueDAMNyonderSPAM.co.uk> wrote:

[Havirrion]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:

[Philippic]

"Havirrion" <havirrion@NOblueDAMNyonderSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
news:VPOlc.353$4m5.>

[Guest]

"As I recall, the 'orthodox' scientists who did 'Horizon''s calorie
experiment using the sealed chamber with 'Atkins' and 'Non-Atkins' twins
inside them made an idiotic and self-serving error: they measured air
temperature changes in the chamber and the energy each twin excreted via
his
urine *but failed to analyse the stool contents and measure the calories
excreted via that route*."

If you consult an article posted by another reader on this ng, one finds
that heat measurement might be all that is needed to a good approximation:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L11221638

Energy expenditure for the whole organism is related to heat
production Energy consumptionheat production. Place a person in a box
that isolates him from the environment and measure his physiochemical
state (temperature, pressure, phases etc.). Then give him 2000
kcalories of glucose to eat. At the end of the 24 hrs you reassess his
composition. You find that that his physiochemical state is identical
to that prior to entering the box (he neither gained or lost weight).
You would also find he lost exactly 2000 kcalories of heat. If the
person did work in the box after eating 2000 kcal, our subject would
lose weight. If he was given 3000 kcal and he produced 2000 Kcal of
heat, he would gain weight. The pathway by which substrate is oxidized
does not influence the amount of heat (energy) that is released. So if
you first take glucose store it then release to be oxidized, the
energy released would be the same as if the glucose were immediately
oxidized. Thus energy released is independent of the pathway followed.
The energy released by catabolism of fats and carbohydrates is
identical to that released by ordinary combustion to carbon dioxide
and water. The values are expressed as Cal or kcal=1000 cal=amount of
heat necessary to raise the temperature of 1000 g water
""

[Alex Horvath]

I could have sworn I recently saw a study where people on Atkins who
had a 300 calorie surplus as compared to the non-Atkins group still
lost more weight than the non-Atkins group (I believe both groups were
on a weight loss regimen). I remember one of the authors of the study
being very surprised at this and not being able to offer an
explanation.

But I agree that calorie budget is the most important factor for
weight loss/mantenance, however macronutrient selection is also very
important for disease prevention in the long term. In my mind the
optimum diet for longevity is a lean meat + low starch veggies diet
which happens to resemble the Atkins diet.

I don't know if the media is to blame or Atkins himself for this
portrayal of the Atkins diet as consisting of slabs of greasy meat and
bacon sizzling in an inch of grease but that is unfortunate given the
number of people subscribing to the Atkins diet. It is at least
encouraging that people are thinking about nutrition to a greater
degree. Let's see if it lasts.


Havirrion <havirrion@NOblueDAMNyonderSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message news:<VnOlc.2949$7R6.2760@doctor.cableinet.net>...

[Guest]

"As I recall, the 'orthodox' scientists who did 'Horizon''s calorie
experiment using the sealed chamber with 'Atkins' and 'Non-Atkins' twins
inside them made an idiotic and self-serving error: they measured air
temperature changes in the chamber and the energy each twin excreted via
his urine *but failed to analyse the stool contents and measure the
calories excreted via that route*."

I went back to the article mentioned above, the urine was chosen because
Atkins speculated that extra energy might be excreted by it as metabolic
products of his induced metabolic state. There was a 1 percent
difference, statistically insignificant result. They were testing his
speculation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3416637.stm

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"Alex Horvath" <alexh1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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[bill]

<markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message > temperature changes in the chamber
and the energy each twin excreted via
....

[Eric Bohlman]

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[Mirek Fidler]

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