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 Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:01 pm Post subject: Low carb diets |
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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as far as I know you are right minus the hunger... I have been on a low carb
for nearly a week now and I am not rungry at all  ...
I just eat meat and eggs all the time, its great ....
things I miss are chewing gum and Bread :(
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Jayjay
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:01:35 GMT, <sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Bottom line - yes, you are right, calories in vs. calories out is what
it boils down to.
Yes, the lack of carbs in the system allows the person a more stable
blood sugar level, thus leading to a more stable sense of hunger.
When you aren't "hungry" you don't eat. Hence, you eat less.
As for the low carb products, just like anything else, it just goes to
say you should always *Read the Labels*... Just like w/ the low fat
products out there that substitute sugar for fat, it doesn't mean just
because it says "Low.." something on the label that its good to eat.
I'm all for low carb, in a modified sort of way. Cutting out the
sugar, bleached flour and other crappy foods out of the diet, will
tend to lead a person to follow a modified low carb diet. If you are
going to eat bread - make it wholesome, whole grain bread. Not white
bread. If you want to eat somethign sweet, go for a piece of fruit,
not a sugar cookie. |
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Trent Duke
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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The low carb diet craze is nothing new. It's been around for several
decades. Dr. Atkins has simply reintroduced it in a marketing way that made
sense to many, hence it caught on.
Does it work? Sure it does cause the average caloric intake per person has
increased to over 3000 a day. Atkins sample day of food caloric intake is
less than 2000. So if do the plan you are gonna lose weight cause you are
EATING LESS...not all due to "low carbs."
You take those same calories and reduce fat intake and simple carbs while
keeping those important complex carbs, you are still gonna lose about the
same amount of weight over a 12 month period. Most studies prove this.
Either way, exercising is crucial and many of those on low carb plans forget
that. When exercising you NEED complex carbs...the good carbs.
An increase in fiber intake to at least 30g a day is also crucial.
A diet (doesn't always mean to lose weight) is a lifestyle. You must decide
for yourself which is better for you and to get you to your goals. I
personally do not think the extreme low carb diet is the route to go cause
it is very hard to do long term.
In regards to those low carb foods, you have to be careful, cause unless
they are low in calories where you are reducing your overall caloric intake
for your active lifestyle, they aren't gonna do much for you in losing
weight.
HTH a little
Trent
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:01:35 GMT
Subject: Low carb diets
I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Proton Soup
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:01:35 GMT, <sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Where was all the concern about the high-carb diets?
Where was all the concern about the no-fat diets?
Proton Soup |
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Patricia Heil
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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A report by JAMA said it's just another variety of reduced
calorie eating plan and it has all the problems of other
specialty diets, namely people get bored with the selection
and stop following it.
Start an exercise program and get a referral to a registered
dietitian for help with choosing and cooking foods right.
sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Please post and reply to sytech@yahoo.com |
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Roger Zoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:35 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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Patricia Heil wrote:
:: A report by JAMA said it's just another variety of reduced
:: calorie eating plan and it has all the problems of other
:: specialty diets, namely people get bored with the selection
:: and stop following it.
There are ways to mitigate getting bored with the selection. I find the
selection is quite wide. And, on occasion, I eat whatever I want. I just
make sure that 90 % of the time I'm on LC with a wide selection of food
items.
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:: Start an exercise program and get a referral to a registered
:: dietitian for help with choosing and cooking foods right.
Exercise program = good. Referall to registered dietitian = nuts.
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:: sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
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::: I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so
::: many are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems
::: to be popular these days.
:::
::: I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
::: themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help
::: with weight control.
:::
::: As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
::: blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
::: cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line
::: STILL calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something
::: else that the low carb diet does?
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Lady o' the house
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:14 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.
If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).
Linda
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Lyle McDonald
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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Patricia Heil wrote:
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A report by JAMA said it's just another variety of reduced
calorie eating plan and it has all the problems of other
specialty diets, namely people get bored with the selection
and stop following it.
Start an exercise program and get a referral to a registered
dietitian for help with choosing and cooking foods right.
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RD's will guarantee that you never make progress.
Great advice, Patricia!
Lyle
| Quote: | sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Lyle McDonald
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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Lady o' the house wrote:
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I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.
If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).
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No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of shit.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.
Lyle
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sytech@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:151220031201496544%sytech@yahoo.com...
I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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gman99
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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<sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.
I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.
As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?
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Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina /
gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!
If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and
eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan,
just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and
maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR
LIFE !!
Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of
people...it's THAT freakin' simple !! |
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Thorsten Schier
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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Lyle McDonald schrieb:
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Lady o' the house wrote:
I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.
If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).
No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of shit.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.
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At least one of those errors could do severe harm to the reader, though.
They erroneously believe that alpha linolenic acid slows down the
eicosanoid synthesis pathway. This, however, is only true for those
eicosanoids that are synthesized from linoleic acid. They seem to be
unware that there is also a pathway from alpha linolenic acid to certain
eicosanoids and those eicosanoids act predominantly anti-inflammatory
and do all the other things the Eades attribute to the "good"
eicosanoids.
So everyone who follows their advice to avoid alpha linolenic acid would
do himself a disservice. The importance of alpha linolenic acid is also
clear from many studies like the Lion Diet Heart Study or the Nurses'
Health Study.
Thorsten
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Peter Webb
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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<SNIP>
| Quote: | Where was all the concern about the high-carb diets?
Where was all the concern about the no-fat diets?
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Exactly. Nutritionists HATE Atkins because it demonstrates that the whole
food pyramid thing - the central tenet of many nutritionists beliefs - is
absolute crap.
Further, many nutritionists have some sort of ecological axe to grind where
they encourage us to eat less meat and more rabbit food.
Low fat diets fitted into the food pyramid theory and their political
beliefs, so nutritionists generally support them. Low carb diets do not.
Rather than change their theories to fit into the facts obseved by millions
of dieters world-wide, they invent concerns which they never expressed for
other diets or simply deny that the diets work.
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Reality Check
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:01:35 GMT, <sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm all for low carb, in a modified sort of way. Cutting out the
sugar, bleached flour and other crappy foods out of the diet, will
tend to lead a person to follow a modified low carb diet. If you are
going to eat bread - make it wholesome, whole grain bread. Not white
bread. If you want to eat somethign sweet, go for a piece of fruit,
not a sugar cookie.
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Sounds like my diet. Eat whole foods and forget processed foods high in fat
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Doug Freese
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Low carb diets |
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Lyle McDonald wrote:
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No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of shit.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.
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Oh no, toss them both out and try the Cabbage Soup or was that
dingleberry torts? Save your money, add exercise and eat a balanced
diet less simple carbs. Whether P. T. Barum said it or not but the
quote still has merit - there's a sucker born every minute. Ya
gotta love freedom of speech regardless of facts.
Since weight watchers is included in the groups it's the closest of
any to a sane way to eat.
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"Caveat Lector"
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