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tcomeau
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 Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:07 am Post subject: mediterranean diet |
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A couple of observations about the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/HS_meddiet_030626.html
The Med. Diet is apparently healthier than the western diet, which
happens to be very high in refined carbs. The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
The Med. Diet has significantly more fat, 40% of the diet is from
fats. One would think that it would be generally heart-unhealthy and
conducive to causing obesity. Yet, apparently not. Does this not fly
in the face of the calorie = obesity and the fats = heart disease
concepts?
This study supports the low-carb concept.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:08 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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No, this is a moderate complex carb and poly/mono fat diet, low in sat.
fat. It lies in the middle ground of the low/high carb/fat debate in this
country.
| Quote: | A couple of observations about the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/HS_meddiet_030626.html
The Med. Diet is apparently healthier than the western diet, which
happens to be very high in refined carbs. The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
The Med. Diet has significantly more fat, 40% of the diet is from
fats. One would think that it would be generally heart-unhealthy and
conducive to causing obesity. Yet, apparently not. Does this not fly
in the face of the calorie = obesity and the fats = heart disease
concepts?
This study supports the low-carb concept.
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Rita
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:26 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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On 26 Jun 2003 14:07:51 -0700, tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote:
| Quote: | A couple of observations about the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/HS_meddiet_030626.html
The Med. Diet is apparently healthier than the western diet, which
happens to be very high in refined carbs. The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
The Med. Diet has significantly more fat, 40% of the diet is from
fats. One would think that it would be generally heart-unhealthy and
conducive to causing obesity. Yet, apparently not. Does this not fly
in the face of the calorie = obesity and the fats = heart disease
concepts?
This study supports the low-carb concept.
TC
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It supports a diet in which fat comes from fish and olive oil and
nuts and other vegetable sources of fat. Also in which ample
fruits and vegetables are eaten.
"A Mediterranean diet featuring olive oil, vegetables, fish, fruits, and low in
saturated fats and enjoyed for many years by the people of that region, is
healthy and promotes longevity," Trichopoulos said Thursday
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The Mediterranean diet emphasises vegetables, fruit, cereals, and olive oil.
Dairy products and meat are consumed moderately, as is alcohol, usually in wine
taken with meals. Fish is a staple in Greece and also has known health benefits,
so it was included in the new study.
I don't think you can argue it supports every version of a
"low carb" regime, such as that of Atkins. |
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Susan Fein
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:35 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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x-no-archive: yes
In article <3efb60e7$0$41418$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>, markd@frog-link.com
writes:
| Quote: | No, this is a moderate complex carb and poly/mono fat diet, low in sat.
fat. It lies in the middle ground of the low/high carb/fat debate in this
country.
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I'm trying to figure out how a diet so full of whole milk yogurt, feta and
other cheeses and lamb is low in sat fat.
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John the Man
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:57 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: mediterranean diet
From: Rita mkny@myrealbox.com
Date: 6/26/03 9:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!
This study supports the low-carb concept.
TC
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Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
| Quote: | I don't think you can argue it supports every version of a
"low carb" regime, such as that of Atkins.
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Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
The Cretan Mediterranean Diet is a Moderately-High Carbohydrate diet.
The Italian Mediterranean Diet is definitely a High Grain diet.
Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
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documentation and sharper terminology than ever before. |
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Buddy H.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 4:30 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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tcomeau wrote:
| Quote: | The Med. Diet is apparently healthier than the western diet, which
happens to be very high in refined carbs. The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
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I don't think there's a lot of unrefined cereal grain eaten in
southern Europe. "Whole grain" has become a religious motif. I
think people are seeing "whole grain" where it doesn't exist, sort
of like seeing images of the Virgin Mary all over the place. |
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wuzzy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 5:17 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<b550f406.0306261307.2795fc0f@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | A couple of observations about the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/HS_meddiet_030626.html
The Med. Diet is apparently healthier than the western diet, which
happens to be very high in refined carbs. The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
The Med. Diet has significantly more fat, 40% of the diet is from
fats. One would think that it would be generally heart-unhealthy and
conducive to causing obesity. Yet, apparently not. Does this not fly
in the face of the calorie = obesity and the fats = heart disease
concepts?
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Yes the meditarranean diet is considered healthy because of its olive
oil and high pufa content, I will agree with that. The replicability
of these findings since the 1950s (since keys' meditarranean studies
is probably why it has been so popular and widely accepted for so
long.. Explains why doctors have recommended meditarranean-diet oils
like olive+fish for many years to ppl with heart problems..
I don't see any link between meditarranean diet per se and obesity in
this particular article so I can't comment on that.... |
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Moosh
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 5:18 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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"tcomeau" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b550f406.0306261307.2795fc0f@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | A couple of observations about the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/HS_meddiet_030626.html
The Med. Diet is apparently healthier than the western diet, which
happens to be very high in refined carbs. The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
The Med. Diet has significantly more fat, 40% of the diet is from
fats. One would think that it would be generally heart-unhealthy and
conducive to causing obesity. Yet, apparently not. Does this not fly
in the face of the calorie = obesity and the fats = heart disease
concepts?
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No. Calorie excess causes obesity, and this exacerbates heart disease.
| Quote: | This study supports the low-carb concept.
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And when you look at the millions (if not billions) of Asians who eat rice
as a staple for every meal?
And who avoid fat? And who exercise regularly?
Who is the Med diet suitable for? Those who have evolved to survive it? |
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John the Man
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:04 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: mediterranean diet
From: mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy)
Date: 6/27/03 1:17 AM !!!First Boot!!!
A couple of observations about the following:
I don't see any link between meditarranean diet per se and obesity in
this particular article so I can't comment on that....
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Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
The Greeks have physically demanding jobs. They are certainly *not* couch
potatoes. |
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Moosh
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:11 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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"John the Man" <jhgohde@wmconnect.comVitalism> wrote in message
news:20030626220453.09383.00001223@mb-m29.wmconnect.com...
| Quote: | Subject: Re: mediterranean diet
From: mypcos@hotmail.com (wuzzy)
Date: 6/27/03 1:17 AM !!!First Boot!!!
A couple of observations about the following:
I don't see any link between meditarranean diet per se and obesity in
this particular article so I can't comment on that....
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
The Greeks have physically demanding jobs. They are certainly *not* couch
potatoes.
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Which ones? The ones sitting around the village centre playing cards,
drinking ouzo, and smoking papastratos? |
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John the Man
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:16 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: mediterranean diet
From: "Moosh" waa@waa.waa
Date: 6/27/03 2:11 AM !!!First Boot!!!
"John the Man" <jhgohde@wmconnect.comVitalism> wrote
The Greeks have physically demanding jobs. They are certainly *not*
couch potatoes.
Which ones? The ones sitting around the village centre playing cards,
drinking ouzo, and smoking papastratos?
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I nominate Moosh Brain's comment as the the dumbest thought expressed in the
month of June if not for the year-to-date: 2003.  |
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Moosh
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 7:02 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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"John the Man" <jhgohde@wmconnect.comVitalism> wrote in message
news:20030626221629.09383.00001225@mb-m29.wmconnect.com...
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From: "Moosh" waa@waa.waa
Date: 6/27/03 2:11 AM !!!First Boot!!!
"John the Man" <jhgohde@wmconnect.comVitalism> wrote
The Greeks have physically demanding jobs. They are certainly *not*
couch potatoes.
Which ones? The ones sitting around the village centre playing cards,
drinking ouzo, and smoking papastratos?
I nominate Moosh Brain's comment as the the dumbest thought expressed in
the
month of June if not for the year-to-date: 2003.
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So who was the idiot who made the dumb generalisation that "The Greeks have
physically demanding jobs"?
I think you win every award of this nature with your every post, GOHDE. |
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Moosh
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:37 am Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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"tcomeau" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Some Med diets are high in carbs (breads), some Western diets are very
healthy.
| Quote: | The Med. Diet is much, much
lower in refined carbs and higher in whole-grain and other whole-food
carbs.
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I think Greeks eat a lot of bread? The French certainly do.
| Quote: | The Med. Diet has significantly more fat, 40% of the diet is from
fats. One would think that it would be generally heart-unhealthy and
conducive to causing obesity.
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Why? I wouldn't, why would you?
Heart disease is mostly due to overconsumption of calories (obesity) and
lack of activity.
On top of the main cause, genetics, of course.
| Quote: | Yet, apparently not. Does this not fly
in the face of the calorie = obesity and the fats = heart disease
concepts?
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Not at all. Read the article again.
For instance:
"But paying attention to types of food isn't enough, says Samantha Heller, a
senior clinical nutritionist at New York University Medical Center in New
York City. "If you eat healthy foods, you still have to watch out for how
much you eat," she warns. "It's how much and what you eat."
The other part of the equation is physical activity. "
| Quote: | This study supports the low-carb concept.
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Where?
It promotes a varied, wholefood, eucaloric, diet with regular moderate
exercise. What's new? |
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John the Man
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: mediterranean diet
From: "Moosh" waa@waa.waa
Date: 6/27/03 5:37 AM !!!First Boot!!!
It promotes a varied, wholefood, eucaloric, diet with regular moderate
exercise. What's new?
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What is new are your Moronic comments.
The exercise for the poeple of Crete is anything but moderate.
Both Geek & Kook alike agree on your obnoxious stupidity. So drop dead. |
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Alf Christophersen
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: mediterranean diet |
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:30:25 GMT, "Buddy H."
<buddy-51@earthlink2001.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I don't think there's a lot of unrefined cereal grain eaten in
southern Europe. "Whole grain" has become a religious motif. I
think people are seeing "whole grain" where it doesn't exist, sort
of like seeing images of the Virgin Mary all over the place.
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Since US use only white, bleached wheat flour, so do rest of the
world??
You are wrong. Seriously wrong. |
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