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Vaccine-man
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 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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I especially like this dumb-ass statement:
"Comment: Isn't this admitting that standard vaccines infect
cells?--ST"
Which she made in reply to the following:
(http://birdfluhype.com/vaccine.html)
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October 25, 2005 - Novavax shares surge on bird flu fears - AP via
Business Week - "The company also announced in September that it would
collaborate with Somerset, N.J.-based Wave Biotech to try to develop a
way to produce its Virus-Like Particle avian flu vaccine on a
commercial scale. The VLP imitates a virus to elicit an immune
response, but cannot infect cells because it lacks the genetic material
of a virus, unlike standard vaccines."
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She calls herself a vaccine expert, yet doesn't know that live vaccine
viruses infect cells? Sheesh. I guess if you're dumb enough to follow
her advice, then you deserve to have your genes eliminated from the
gene pool. Darwininan action at its finest. |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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Vaccine-man wrote:
| Quote: | I especially like this dumb-ass statement:
"Comment: Isn't this admitting that standard vaccines infect
cells?--ST"
Which she made in reply to the following:
(http://birdfluhype.com/vaccine.html)
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October 25, 2005 - Novavax shares surge on bird flu fears - AP via
Business Week - "The company also announced in September that it would
collaborate with Somerset, N.J.-based Wave Biotech to try to develop a
way to produce its Virus-Like Particle avian flu vaccine on a
commercial scale. The VLP imitates a virus to elicit an immune
response, but cannot infect cells because it lacks the genetic material
of a virus, unlike standard vaccines."
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She calls herself a vaccine expert, yet doesn't know that live vaccine
viruses infect cells? Sheesh. I guess if you're dumb enough to follow
her advice, then you deserve to have your genes eliminated from the
gene pool. Darwininan action at its finest.
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It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds" to
be dealt with. |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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Mark Probert wrote:
| Quote: | It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds" to
be dealt with.
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Who said there's no such thing as "intelligent design"? Natural selection at
its finest.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerd@carolina.rr.com.REMOVE |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Probert wrote:
It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds" to
be dealt with.
Who said there's no such thing as "intelligent design"? Natural selection at
its finest.
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With the EOM critters, it is clearly an example of why it cannot be
*intelligent* design. |
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Rich
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:45 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:NQw9f.35889$rE2.17483@fe10.lga...
| Quote: | Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds" to
be dealt with.
Who said there's no such thing as "intelligent design"? Natural
selection at its finest.
With the EOM critters, it is clearly an example of why it cannot be
*intelligent* design.
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My favorite argument against the "intelligent design" crowd is that the
design isn't all that intelligent. In some aspects the design is brillliant
.. . . the eye, the kidney, both redundant, etc. But if the "designer" is
responsible for the human spine AND the upright posture of the species,
there's been a big mistake. Many women would agree, as well, that the baby's
head is designed a little too large for the birth process. Clearly it's an
evolutionary process, and it's at an impasse of bigger brains vs. pelvic
structure that still allows women to walk.
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--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/ |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
| Quote: | Per Mark Probert:
anti-vacs
From context, it sounds like there is a subculture of people who are, for some
reason, unconditionally opposed to vaccination.
Have I got it right?
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Bulls-eye. There are those who will say anything, distort anything, to
make vaccination seem:
1. Worthless
2. Useless
3. Dangerous
4. All of the above
5. You pick the combination. |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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Rich wrote:
| Quote: | "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:NQw9f.35889$rE2.17483@fe10.lga...
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds" to
be dealt with.
Who said there's no such thing as "intelligent design"? Natural
selection at its finest.
With the EOM critters, it is clearly an example of why it cannot be
*intelligent* design.
My favorite argument against the "intelligent design" crowd is that the
design isn't all that intelligent.
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Quite true. Would an intelligent designer design a species that has
cancer, heart disease, etc? Would an intelligent designer design
something that can be born with diseases such as Tay-Sachs?
In some aspects the design is brillliant
| Quote: | . . . the eye, the kidney, both redundant, etc. But if the "designer" is
responsible for the human spine AND the upright posture of the species,
there's been a big mistake. Many women would agree, as well, that the baby's
head is designed a little too large for the birth process. Clearly it's an
evolutionary process, and it's at an impasse of bigger brains vs. pelvic
structure that still allows women to walk. |
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Rich
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:Htz9f.37705$rE2.9040@fe10.lga...
| Quote: | Rich wrote:
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:NQw9f.35889$rE2.17483@fe10.lga...
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the
anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds"
to
be dealt with.
Who said there's no such thing as "intelligent design"? Natural
selection at its finest.
With the EOM critters, it is clearly an example of why it cannot be
*intelligent* design.
My favorite argument against the "intelligent design" crowd is that the
design isn't all that intelligent.
Quite true. Would an intelligent designer design a species that has
cancer, heart disease, etc? Would an intelligent designer design something
that can be born with diseases such as Tay-Sachs?
In some aspects the design is brillliant
. . . the eye, the kidney, both redundant, etc. But if the "designer" is
responsible for the human spine AND the upright posture of the species,
there's been a big mistake. Many women would agree, as well, that the
baby's head is designed a little too large for the birth process. Clearly
it's an evolutionary process, and it's at an impasse of bigger brains vs.
pelvic structure that still allows women to walk.
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Joke:
A group of engineers is at lunch when the electrical engineer states that
God is an electrical engineer. The others ask for an explanation and he
says, "Just look at the marvelous nervous system that controls the whole
body and enables us to do mathematics and poetry. God is an electrical
engineer."
"You're wrong," says the mechanical engineer. "The system of muscles and
combination of levers of the skeletal system far surpasses anything in the
nervous system, and that's not to mention the pump and hydraulics of the
circulatory system. God is a mechanical engineer."
"No way," Says the chemical engineer. "The nervous and skeletal and
circulatory systems are just dead meat without the complex chemical
reactions that drive them. God is a chemical engineer."
"You are all wrong." Says the civil engineer. "God is a civil engineer."
After a storm of protest, he calmly states, "Who but a civil engineer would
put the waste disposal system next to the playground?"
;o) Rich |
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(PeteCresswell)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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Per Mark Probert:
From context, it sounds like there is a subculture of people who are, for some
reason, unconditionally opposed to vaccination.
Have I got it right?
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PeteCresswell |
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Kara
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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One of the reasons is the issue of 'other' ingredients that are used
as fillers and/or preservatives.
I think there are some ethical issues for some people in regards to
taking vaccines which may also include:
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
fetal bovine serum
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)**This
is probably the major issue
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells
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If you have someone who is against 'eating blood' (ie blood
transfusions) then I would think they would also object to being
injected with animal blood/brains. |
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David Wright
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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In article <48x9f.3013$Jo3.1194@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
Rich <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
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"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:NQw9f.35889$rE2.17483@fe10.lga...
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
It is a form of culling the herd. I posted a comment on the Evidence of
Harm Yahoo group where I said that I am looking forward to the anti-vacs
being culled if the avian flu becomes infectious from person to person.
Wow! Did that stir up a hornet's nest. I was accused of promoting
genocide...when it is the anti vacs who will be affected by exercising
their health care freedom and choice. These are truly amazing "minds" to
be dealt with.
Who said there's no such thing as "intelligent design"? Natural
selection at its finest.
With the EOM critters, it is clearly an example of why it cannot be
*intelligent* design.
My favorite argument against the "intelligent design" crowd is that the
design isn't all that intelligent. In some aspects the design is brillliant
. . . the eye, the kidney, both redundant, etc.
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The eye is not that brilliant a design -- consider the presence of the
blind spot. Squid or octopus eyes do not have this problem, and are
otherwise as good as our own.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth |
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David Wright
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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In article <v0mdm11anpg46l1vndtu2cfhqf1g500su1@4ax.com>,
(PeteCresswell) <x@y.Invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Per Mark Probert:
anti-vacs
From context, it sounds like there is a subculture of people who are,
for some reason, unconditionally opposed to vaccination.
Have I got it right?
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Yes, though they don't all take this position for the same reasons.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth |
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Kara
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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The UK is looking into possible deadly interactions between the flu
vaccine and patients taking Warfarin.
The Government Commitee on Safety of Medicines has noted that neither
the flu vaccine itself of the Gov's Green Book (which advises on drug
interactions) mentions this problem. |
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HCN
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Bird flu hype |
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"Kara" <alabamalyme@usa.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The UK is looking into possible deadly interactions between the flu
vaccine and patients taking Warfarin.
The Government Commitee on Safety of Medicines has noted that neither
the flu vaccine itself of the Gov's Green Book (which advises on drug
interactions) mentions this problem.
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Your reference? Is it this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/30/nflu30.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/30/ixnewstop.html
Is this something the general population needs to be worried about? Does
this indicate that the flu vaccine is a danger to asthmatic teenagers or
middle aged medical professionals or elderly people NOT on warfarin?
Actually, no. It is just one data point to indicate that there are SOME who
should not get the vaccine --- and if enough of those who CAN get it, they
can protect the people who cannot get it with herd immunity.
Also, that may change with a change to using new methods of creating
vaccines, like DNA:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-10/acs-iac101905.php |
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