Rod Kurthy's Deep Bleaching Technique

[Joel344]

Rod Kurthy wrote about his deep bleaching
technique. Anyone see Rod's DVD?



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Originally Posted by ambergambler
I think it's an extremely interesting development in the case of
tetracycline staining - a lot more conservative (and obviously,
cheaper) than the alternatives. Rod, if you're still around - roughly
in what percentage of cases of tetracycline staining does the deep
bleaching technique prove successful?


ROD REPLIES,


Well, of course, since there are so many now using the technique, I
can't speak for other than what I have seen in my own practice, what
I've seen on DentalTown, the calls I've received, and emails

Is there a way to post pics here?

As you know, color is not always the only problem regarding
tetracycline stained teeth. Sometimes the enamel is significantly
thinner, especially in the cervicals, and more so in the lower anterior
cervicals.

So it depends on what your definition of successful is. The funny thing
is that I always warn docs NOT to tackle a tetracycline case as their
first case. I suggest they get a few more typical cases under their
belts first. But do they listen to me????? Noooooooo. LOL!! Any of you
who follow this on DentalTown at all have seen at least a dozen Townies
post that they're starting their first Deep Bleaching case, and that
even though they know that I've said NOT to start on a TCN case,
they're doing it anyway. And they always basically say they're nervous
about it.

Most of them have come back with photos and incredible stories. I don't
remember one who has said it was a failure. Some are more dramatic than
others, but all that I can remember have said that they patients were
totally blown away.

I just got an email about five days ago from a dentist who just did his
first TCN case and said that he had some disappointment. He said that
the patient was absolutely ecstatic with the results, but that he
didn't think that the results looked as good as the ones he's seen
posted by dentists on DentalTown. I asked if he'd read my book, and he
said he had. But when I started asking him questions about what he did,
he'd not followed many of the recommendations. He only had the patient
bleach at home for 2 weeks. TCN I recommend a minimum of three weeks.
He did not use the products I recommend, and this will have the most
effect on a TCN case (relates to a longer time of oxygen release).

So he basically said he needed to read the book again. He said that
even though the patient was extremely happy, that he wanted to do even
better, so he's gonna start the case all over again. I asked him to
forward me pics, but he said he's not good at getting pics into
emails.

So yes, so far, that I know of at least, the results have been really
amazing with tetracycline.

Oh, I just remembered one other -- I did have one Townie post that he
was upset with the results he'd achieved with a TCN case. He went on
and on how the cervical color was still dark, etc. He did happen to
mention that the patient, however, was very happy. I urged him to post
the before and after pics, and I personally thought the results were
great. You couldn't even see the cervicals when the patient smiled.
What a HUGE difference.

This patient had extremely thin enamel in the lower anterior cervical
area. Anyway, a number of posters came on and said that they'd call the
results a resounding success, given what the patient started out with.
This Townie did sorta change his mind and say 'yeah, the patient DOES
look much, much better, but I had hoped that there wouldn't be any more
discoloration at all".

So point is that this technique achieves what never could be achieved
in this amount of time before, but you'll still usually see some bit of
cervical discoloration. Bottom line is that it's really not noticable to
the patients, and usually not noticable in their typical smile.

Obviously I love being able to change the appearance of patients'
smiles, but there's just something incredible about being able to do
this change on someone who genuinely had a smile that was tetracycline
stained. Each one of these patients will usually end up telling me
their very personal story of how their Snickers Bar smile affected them
during their lifetime. Very, very emotional.

Rod


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[Alexander Vasserman DDS]

nice to see you back
I've seen his advertising DVD not impressed
I've also seen his results and the photos he takes are not consistant
so it ia hard to tell what the results are.
I know he cuts the trays a certain way to maintain the bleach next to
the tooth.
BTW I was etching enamel for bleaching way before ROD came up with his
system. After walking around for a few months with etched enamel I had
to ask a colleague to polish the roughness away.
Rod just covers this up with resin so I do nor understand how that
enamel ever becomes smooth on its own.
from the dvd you cold tell that he is just a huge show off and only
interested in selling his "BOOK", etc....

[Dr Steve]

Hey Alex, you may have just earned a Sunday afternoon irate and rude
telephone call from RK. He is another reason to stay away from DT.

Can you spell salesman?

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[Joel344]

That's a funny comment ........ and an "in" joke. Somehow Rod Kurthy
and I get along okay. I still do not know why either. I generally agree

with Steve, but when it comes to Rod, I keep looking the other way!

(I am trying to expand that philosophy elsewhere too).


Joel


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[Alexander Vasserman DDS]

I do not take phone calls from salespeople.
I've trained my staff to say "Dr Vasserman is a very busy man his time
is precious".
When I see a salesman coming such as the phone recruits asking to
switch service, I walk out and sit in the waiting room as if I was a
patient. My staff does not give me away. It's very funny. I've had
sales people sit an hour before they gave up.


Joel344 wrote:

[Dr Steve]

How about when he calls your emergency pager number on Sunday afternoon to
bitch at you? You return the call thinking it is one of your patients
traveling out the immediate area, and find yourself talking to RK, who is
bitching because you may have cost him a sale by saying something on SMD 4
months earlier. If you are interested, it was for referring to him as a
"salesman from DT".

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Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
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[Joel344]

Steve, that's funny. There are MANY salemen from DT.

Joel


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[Dr Steve]

Most of what pretends to be discussion over at DT is really just an effort
to sell stuff.

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[Joel344]

Absolutely correct!

Joel


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[Alexander Vasserman DDS]

Dr Steve wrote:

[Flap]

Rod is like the USED car salesman in Middle America.

HOLY MOLY.

The Music Man all over again.

Be sure you buy his books now.

[Joel344]

I am not sure why, but I kind of like Rod. I see two different Rods ....

one the dentist ..... and the other the salesman! And as salesman
he is so funny.

His DVD is hilarious!

And as always, there are kernels and nuggets in there.

I admire his bravado! I mean you can shout to his face how he is
something else and it never phases him. If anything it energizes him.

Its a POSITIVE approach to something that can be a little tawdry.




Joel


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[Flap]

I missed his DVD but I get all of the other dental crap but others
complained about not getting it.

He doesn't care for me much and after threatening to sue me for
exercising my first amendment rights of free speech I think he is all
bluster.

His techniques and his books are nothing stupendous but to the young
and unsophisticated crowd at Dental Town it must look good. Fools that
they may be to swallow his hyper-exaggerated salesmanship - HOLY
MOLY....YOU GOTTA READ THIS!!!!

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[shad j lewis]

How, when and why did he threaten to sue you? What did you say?

[Flap]

Some months ago.

About the time he was sending out the DVD and he was getting involved
with some new venture - which he now has apparently backed away from.

He took exception to a post I made on my other blog site and told me to
take it down and he was forwarding this matter to his attorney. I
essentially told him to pound sand.

He was wrong on the law and his attorney probably told him so. But, if
they want to sue I am sure my daughters would love to take him for 100K
attorneys fees after his sorry asrse loses.

But, it is BS like this that intimidates dentists and manufacturers off
of Dental Town.