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 Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:50 am Post subject: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a
diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem
dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.
There are also many medical, biological, emotional and mental
conditions that mimic ADHD also. For those who are searching for
reasons behind their child's behavior, here are some possibilities.
Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
problems and many more.
http://adhdparentssupportgroup.homestead.com/50conditionsmimicingADHD.html
For information on ADD/ADHD, medications, clinical trials and more,
visit http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters/addadhd.msnw
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Eric Bohlman
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:21 am Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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theta@btinternet.com (Theta) wrote in
news:18e81488.0309201550.1579b555@posting.google.com:
| Quote: | ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a
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For *any* medical condition, there are many other problems that have the
same symptoms as it. That's why physicians use differential diagnosis
rather than just jumping on the first thing that matches. That's why the
medical records a physician keeps are expected to show a differential when
he diagnoses a patient with a condition.
If a physician is diagnosing ADHD without ruling out other causes of the
patient's symptoms, he's not following a legally appropriate standard of
care.
| Quote: | diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem
dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.
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But a physician is not required to include in the differential explanations
that have been disproven. There's no evidence that any of the things you
mentioned can cause ADHD-type symptoms. |
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Roger Schlafly
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:54 am Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote
| Quote: | ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...
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No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher. |
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Jan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:13 am Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD"
From: Eric Bohlman ebohlman@earthlink.net
Date: 9/20/2003 4:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns93FCC65FC9931ebohlmanomsdevcom@130.133.1.4
theta@btinternet.com (Theta) wrote in
news:18e81488.0309201550.1579b555@posting.google.com:
ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a
For *any* medical condition, there are many other problems that have the
same symptoms as it.
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And the MD has a tiny *organized medicine recipe book, if it *ain't in there*
you are crazy.
| Quote: | That's why physicians use differential diagnosis
rather than just jumping on the first thing that matches.
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No, that's why there are so MANY UNANSWERED health problems. REAL diseases are
DENIED.
| Quote: | That's why the
medical records a physician keeps are expected to show a differential when
he diagnoses a patient with a condition.
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And what percentage have NO diagnoses???
| Quote: | If a physician is diagnosing ADHD without ruling out other causes of the
patient's symptoms, he's not following a legally appropriate standard of
care.
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Written by *organized medicine*.
| Quote: | diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem
dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.
But a physician is not required to include in the differential explanations
that have been disproven. There's no evidence that any of the things you
mentioned can cause ADHD-type symptoms.
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Well, I wonder why the ADD diagnoses keep climbing?????
Jan |
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Mark D Morin
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:15 am Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:54:20 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
<rogersc@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote
ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...
No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.
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When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.
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You fool yourself if you imagine what you or others
say about others is their problem, rather than your
problem.
You can trash people all you want, but your trashing
them isn't, in itself, a problem for them.
Linda Gore 08/06/03
http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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Roger Schlafly
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:09 am Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Mark D Morin" <mdmpsyd@nospsmgwi.net> wrote
| Quote: | No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.
When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.
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Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria. |
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Mark D Morin
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:09:39 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
<rogersc@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mark D Morin" <mdmpsyd@nospsmgwi.net> wrote
No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.
When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.
Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.
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no less well trained than teachers and the tests are no more
objective. I take it you've never had the same sample retested with
differing results? I also take it that you have never seen any of the
tests administered to someone suspected of having ADHD.
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The "anti" group on any subject can stall it forever
by asking an unlimited number of questions and feeding
an unlimited number of fears. And if we require that
something be absolutely safe and absolutely understood
before we use it, we'll never use anything,
because we'll never have absolute understanding.
David Wright 9/20/03
http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Roger Schlafly" <rogersc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote
ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...
No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.
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You are such an idiot.
First of, there are THREE "official" guidelines:
1. The DSM
2. The diagnostic protocol as published on the AAP website
3. The treatment protocol as published on the AAP website.
One thig is for sure, you sure do have a bad case of Posting Partial Facts
Disorder. |
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Mike Gormez
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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Don't get fooled folks, 'theta' is a posting Scientology inspired
crap. After he failed to post his BS in alt.religion.scientolgy and
getting away with it he has been on a search for newsgroups where he
and the UFO nut cult (www.xenu.net) aren't that well known.
FYI: Scientology says that there aren't any mental illnesses. It is
all 'spritual'. And they are force to sign such a statement as well.
Recently new Scientology contracts emerged after one of their members
died (lisa.whyaretheydead.net) under their care and they want to
protect themselves better against prosecution. Ask yourself if you
would sign this:
"It is my strongly held religious belief that all mental problems are
spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally
incompetent person-- only those suffering from spiritual upset of one
kind or another dramatized by an individual. I reject all psychiatric
labels and intend for this Contract to clearly memorialize my desire
to be helped exclusively through religious, spiritual means and not
through any form of psychiatric treatment, specifically including
involuntary commitment based on so-called lack of competence. Under no
circumstances, at any time, do I wish to be denied my right to care
from members of my religion to the exclusion of psychiatric care or
psychiatric directed care, regardless of what any psychiatrist,
medical person, designated member of the state or family member may
assert supposedly on my behalf."
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/dst/www/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection-Release.html
Mike Gormez
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Markus Probertus
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD"
From: Eric Bohlman ebohlman@earthlink.net
Date: 9/20/2003 4:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <Xns93FCC65FC9931ebohlmanomsdevcom@130.133.1.4
theta@btinternet.com (Theta) wrote in
news:18e81488.0309201550.1579b555@posting.google.com:
ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a
For *any* medical condition, there are many other problems that have the
same symptoms as it.
And the MD has a tiny *organized medicine recipe book, if it *ain't in
there*
you are crazy.
That's why physicians use differential diagnosis
rather than just jumping on the first thing that matches.
No, that's why there are so MANY UNANSWERED health problems. REAL diseases
are
DENIED.
That's why the
medical records a physician keeps are expected to show a differential
when
he diagnoses a patient with a condition.
And what percentage have NO diagnoses???
If a physician is diagnosing ADHD without ruling out other causes of the
patient's symptoms, he's not following a legally appropriate standard of
care.
Written by *organized medicine*.
diagnosis before looking at everything. For example, any problem
dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car. If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.
But a physician is not required to include in the differential
explanations
that have been disproven. There's no evidence that any of the things you
mentioned can cause ADHD-type symptoms.
Well, I wonder why the ADD diagnoses keep climbing?????
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Let me answer that for you, since you asked...
Beginning in 1991, the US Department of Edcuation and Sandbox Management,
under Bush the First, mandated that the schools throughout the USA actually
take a good hard look at why kids were not learning, and then do something
about it.
Well, they did. When kids were not learning the Committee of Special Ed (or
whatever the local distrcit calls it) began to look. Lo and behold, kids had
learning disabilities and also had ADD or ADHD.
When responsible parents became aware of why their kid was not learning,
they did something about it and went to their doctors to find help.
Thus, the increase in ADHD diagnosis.
I have simplified it for you, but, this is the way it was. |
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Jeff
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:18e81488.0309201550.1579b555@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior.
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From observing a child's behavior, the behavior of other children who are at
the same developmental level, reports from parents and teachers, and often,
evaluation by a child psychologist or other professional. In addition, other
problems that look like ADHD are ruled.\
| Quote: | There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis.
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There is nothing definite that is used to diagnose Alzhiemer's or
Parkinson's or depression.
There are, however, well established criteria to determine whether or not a
child or adult has ADHD.
| Quote: | The problem
with this is there are many other problems that have the same symptoms
of ADHD. Many parents, because of not knowing, settle for ADHD as a
diagnosis before looking at everything.
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No, the criteria specifically state that other causes of behavior that looks
like ADHD have to be ruled otu.
| Quote: | For example, any problem
dealing with the fuels of the body: water, food, blood and air can
cause behavior problems. Water, food, blood and air to the body are
just like gas and oil to a car.
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Horrible anlaogy. Food is like gas to a car. Air is like air to a car (both
are used to oxidize the fuel, whether peanut butter and jelly or gasoline).
Water and blood have no analogy with a car.
| Quote: | If you put bad gas or have old or the
wrong oil in your car, it will act up just like a child acts up when
eating foods they are allergic to, drinking or breathing contaminated
water or air or having blood disorders.
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Except that there is very little evidence that food alergies or food
reactions cause hyperactivity. Or problems with concentrating.
| Quote: | There are also many medical, biological, emotional and mental
conditions that mimic ADHD also. For those who are searching for
reasons behind their child's behavior, here are some possibilities.
Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
problems and many more.
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True. Good doctors always look for other conditions before making a
diagnosis of ADHD.
| Quote: | http://adhdparentssupportgroup.homestead.com/50conditionsmimicingADHD.html
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Actually, the list is inaccurate. For example, it describe the spinal cord
incorrectly connected to the brain. The is no such thing. Here is a better
list:
http://www.fpnotebook.com/PED69.htm
Actually, I think there are far better sites:
http://www.chadd.org/
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdmenu.cfm
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Jeff
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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| Quote: | "Mark D Morin" <mdmpsyd@nospsmgwi.net> wrote
No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.
When I go in for a blood test, the physician does not examine my
blood. S/he relies on the second or third hand summaries from a
technician.
Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.
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So are teachers. And the diagnosis requires impairments from two or more
areas, including school and home. |
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SumBuny
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Only settle for the diagnosis of ADHD after checking out all of these
problems and many more.
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One piece of sound advice...many of us *have* been diagnosed ADHD after
everything else was ruled out....
....yet still seem to get lambasted for "drugging" our kids and for being
ADHD (when we are contantly told there is no such thing)....any advice on
that?
Buny |
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SumBuny
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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"Roger Schlafly" <rogersc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Theta" <theta@btinternet.com> wrote
ADHD is diagnosed by "professionals" who form their opinion by
observing a child's behavior. There are no brain scans, blood tests,
or anything else definite that is used during diagnosis. ...
No, they don't even do that. The official guidelines say that the
diagnosis is supposed to based on home and school settings, and
the physician is not likely to make any observations there. He bases
the diagnosis on 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand accounts of that behavior,
as reported by a parent or a teacher.
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What about those who are diagnosed after full Functional Behavioral
Assessment, done not only by teachers, but by psychologists, behaviorists,
therapists? or is this not "suficient" witnesses to share information with
the child's psychiatrist for diagnosis?
Buny |
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jake
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: 50 Conditions That Mimic "ADHD" |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:26:01 -0400, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
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Good. The technician is probably well-trained to examine blood,
and uses objective criteria.
So are teachers.
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What planet do YOU live on?
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MR. SINCLAIR (HISTORY): I started drinking in my car in 1994. I would
roll up the windows and sit in the east side of the parking lot. In
the last space. There was coffee in the one, older thermos and scotch
in the other, newer one. I was caught later that year. But...I would
say that I definitely stopped caring soon after that.
MR. KEROMAN (MATHEMATICS): Early on. Second semester of my first year.
MR. PAPPAS (SOCIAL STUDIES): Once I was on this strange acne
medication. It was making me feel completely different from how I
usually, which is fine. It came to a head one day when I was
chaperoning a field trip to the Museum of Natural History. I was
feeling strange and I got off the bus and for some reason started
crying because I wasn’t on the bus any longer. I didn’t want to go
into the school, but I did. And they were looking at me, the kids on
my field trip. And I felt shame. That was the beginning of something.
MR. LEWIS (PE): I was standing there on the field and...I was standing
out on the field in September and that’s when the geese droppings
aren’t completely frozen yet, but they aren’t so wet that they just
leak into the field. They’re solid. It’ late November when they
actually freeze. So the droppings, which cover the field, were still
slightly wet. Maybe four of these kids ever wear their soccer cleats,
even after I asked them to. No one was wearing them that day and so
these kids were sliding in this goose shit. And somehow one swallowed
a piece. In a tackle, or something, but it was all over his face. And
I just, you know...I just hated that kid. I had to clean him up.
(pause) Yeah, but I guess that’s the moment.
These teachers are real. |
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